tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3034991754692855646.post5621651881738102274..comments2023-06-17T03:14:04.495-04:00Comments on Carless Columbus: Columbus Installs Bike Box With Mixed ResultsJamiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05040231681301411948noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3034991754692855646.post-47798263682366978172009-11-10T09:09:11.494-05:002009-11-10T09:09:11.494-05:00danc - This is great stuff - I've seen the Cyc...danc - This is great stuff - I've seen the CycleDallas video before but totally forgot about it when I wrote the post. I have more to say on this issue and will share that in a new post. <br /><br />Duncan - while in my heart I agree that cyclists and pedestrians need to be put first over cars, we're not quite at the point yet from a mindset of proper, safe vehicle management. I tend to be of the vehicularist mindset, and feel that bikes "fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles" (to paraphrase John Forrester). Adding infrastructure to put cyclists out of the way of cars is not the healthiest way to go, for anyone. <br /><br />Also, <a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/TRANSPORTATION/index.cfm?c=46717" rel="nofollow">bike boxes were most certainly created to avoid the right-hook problem</a>.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05040231681301411948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3034991754692855646.post-69060562536298733612009-11-07T19:52:02.190-05:002009-11-07T19:52:02.190-05:00I think it's a matter of "horses for cour...I think it's a matter of "horses for courses". Here in Melbourne, Australia we have many bike boxes. Their intention is to provide a safe space for cyclists to get ahead of cars, when the lights are red, so that the cyclists can be seen and not run over. They are not intended to provide protection from cars turning - just a headstart at the lights.<br /><br /><br />When there is a long line of traffic and I've cruised up alongside them on the inside lane, a bike box gives me welcome protection when the lights change to green.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102081079245189610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3034991754692855646.post-58727407787647643442009-11-06T21:13:41.790-05:002009-11-06T21:13:41.790-05:00The bike box “works” (so to speak) in the traffic ...The bike box “works” (so to speak) in the traffic light red phase, during the yellow or green phase, it fails just like any other bike lane. Here a is simple animation: Why “bike-boxes” fail http://cycledallas.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-bike-boxes-fail.html <br /><br />The example uses a large truck, but a utility, delivery truck or SUV with large blind spots or impatient driver will work against any naïve bike box or bike lane user.<br /><br />John S Allen writings:<br /> Bike box rationales<br />http://john-s-allen.co /blog/?p=11<br /><br />Comparing crosswalk and bike box<br />http://john-s-allen.com/blog/?p=60<br /><br />Advanced Stop Line or “Bike Box"<br />Extended article with research links. <br />http://bikexprt.com/bikepol/facil/stopline.htm<br /> <br />Remember "bike boxes" are experimental!danchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656663165658142443noreply@blogger.com